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Welcome to the Better Two Podcast. I'm your host, Donna, and today's guest is me. Well, that's because typically it's our Halloween episode, but since today is also our 250th episode, I decided to do a solo podcast, which, you know, I only do those occasionally. And to be quite honest, I find them kind of awkward, at least for me. Um, there are people out there that do it very well. For me, it's kind of one of those things where I feel like I'm shouting into the void. I can pull it off, but it's just it's a little awkward. But anyway, besides that, while it is our 250th episode, I need to clarify it's our 250th episode that has aired. There have been podcasts that I've taped throughout the years, which I make it seem like it's so long. It's only five years, which still that I guess is in the podcast world, you know, they say if you can record more than seven episodes, then you're golden. Uh, because a lot of people don't. But back to what I was saying. There have been episodes that unfortunately, one in particular that I talked to a British actor and it was a great conversation. Unfortunately, I lost it. Uh, it got deleted on accident, and so therefore, it went bye-bye. But there's been a couple others that they've they've been, you know, they just did not jive right, they did not seem right, and I wasn't comfortable airing them. There is one that I would love to air, but considering the political vibe of this world right now, I have held back. So maybe one day it'll be aired, maybe not. But this is the 250th episode that it has aired. And the podcast really has been a journey. It's been five years since I started. And it's funny because the other day I was talking to my dad, well, texting with my dad, and we got into the conversation about Rowan Atkinson, and he loves Rowan. So I mentioned that I talked to Richard Sparks, and this brought up a whole debate. Um, because my dad was like, Rowan never has any other writers. Uh yeah, he did. And so my dad is the type of person that he has to be right. And even my therapist said the other day after we had a conversation about this, because it just happened to fall in line with that. She's like, Sometimes you maybe just need to let him believe he's right. So I did something that I never thought I would do, and that was share a link with that episode to the podcast. Because I asked him first. I'm like, well, can you read can you do closed caption? Oh, sure, yeah, I can do that. Okay, what's the name of your podcast? Okay, folks, it's been five years since I've been doing this, and my dad finally says, Hey, okay, uh, what's the name of it? This is this is this is the family support that I actually often talk to my guest about because they're like, Yeah, my parents supported me. Yeah, my my dad, and as we know. So I'm not expecting him to read my smut books, though I've seen online that fathers have supported their daughters and tried to get their books out there, but not mine. Anyway, that's another story. So this went back and forth. So I sent him a link, and uh he's like, Well, I'll check it out the next tomorrow. I'm like, okay. So then he responds back to me the next day. Well, you look good, um, but I I just I can't I can't follow conversations.

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So you guys that actually tune in and listen and watch, I really do appreciate it because you guys are supporting me, and and that's a big deal because at least I know somebody out, somebody is out there listening still. And for me, this podcast has been an evolution. It's it's been something that I've gotten to talk to people I never thought I would, and it's been an amazing journey and an amazing gift. And no, I'm not giving it up, even though in the past couple episodes there has been some doubt in my voice about whether I want to continue doing this or not. Financially, yes, it's a it's a tight thing because it does cost me money and I'm not making anything from it. But I realize that sometimes the gift is actually getting to talk to people, getting to talk to people from different walks of life, from different industries, and getting to know them, not just as a musician, and not just their wild stories about the road or just life in general. It it's an amazing thing to be able to sit here and talk to somebody and vibe with them and the energy exchange and the positivity. I mean, quite honestly, one of the things that helped me get through the cancer, the chemo, was the doing the podcast. And the only reason I stopped was because my body physically could not handle doing the interviews. So here we are, and I I look at this, like I said, it's been a journey for me. When I first started this, I mean the very first episode, yeah, I was vulnerable and I talked about my mom and her death, and and it was all about that better to moment. Was it better to have saved her than not? But when I look at the the way the podcast grew organically, because I didn't really push it, I have never really pushed things. And I think it was in the first season that I had a PR company reach out and say, Hey, I have this country artist. Well, to be fair, folks, and I'm sure some of you guys know this already about me, I'm not a huge country music fan. Um, but that being said, I did enjoy talking to the people I talked to. And it doesn't, this is the thing about what I do versus some other shows, and I'm not knocking anybody's show. All I'm getting at is it's about the conversation, about their journey, it's about who they are. And like Sherry Rowe, she's a country artist, and I listen, I've listened to her stuff to prep for the show. Is it my type of music? No, but can I still take something from it? Yes, and that's the important thing is learning about the people that I talk to. So you can see them not only as a musician, but as a human, as as the trials and tribulations that they've gone through and the successes and how real life is for them, that it's not all that we see in movies or read in books. Uh, and that's one thing when I in my books, I do try to put some realism in the stories of the rock star romance, that it's not all this glitz and glamour. But it's important that we we really look at people for who they are, and that's what I've tried to do during this whole time of the podcast. There was a certain point I had less musicians and less authors, and that was okay. But the reason the podcast switched, and I think I've mentioned this before, is the fact that I was getting guests that wanted to sign up and tell me about their entrepreneur journey, and that's great. But the problem was every story started to, at least for me, and I was worried for you guys listening, that every story sounded the same. And I don't want that. I want somebody to have a journey that takes them to a different place, that they can see the struggles that somebody went through, that they can feel how things change for this person and how they evolved. And you know, even when I look at my own life, the evolution here. When I started, my husband had died, he had been gone less than a year, and I did this as a form of I don't want to say healing, and I don't want to say it was a distraction, but in a way it was for both things, and it gave me courage and it gave me strength, you know, and I and I've talked about this, you know, when I started the podcast, I was worried about my hair. And as I sat here today, you know, getting ready for the show, I was thinking, you know, I remember when I first started, I have I was on my weight loss journey, and I made sure that my hair was perfect, my makeup was perfect, and I looked, I looked camera ready. Everything had to be perfect. And I think one of the biggest things going through that cancer battle and coming to terms with being closer to 60 than anything, um it makes you realize that perfection is just an illusion, an illusion that we're sold. Uh something that is is told that you need to look this way, you need to be this way, you need to act this way, you need to. Okay, weight loss, I understand. If it's for health, sure. But weight loss because you want to fit in this dress, it's a great thing, don't get me wrong. But it matters more about you being comfortable and quit and stopping the pressure, quit putting the pressure on you to be an illusion that is not necessarily real. And that is one of the biggest things that we have to look at is we are we are shown so much, especially now. You know, now we we open our phone, we open an Instagram, you know, up Instagram, and there's videos of that are not real. And in fact, I've seen comedians, I've seen dancers talk about the fact that, and somebody could do it to me, they can take their voice, they can take their whole whole video and change it to make it more appealing, more pleasing, or more weird, so they can get clicks, so they can get likes. And and that takes me to another train of thought. Here is I've tried to get a couple of bigger guests than who I've had, which I've had some big guests, but I've tried to get bigger guests and um talking to one of the publicists, he was very nice, very kind. And he's like, Well, I need to know your followers, your numbers. Okay, and to be fair, to be fair, I get it. You want to make sure that your your guest is going on a show that's got the numbers. But in order to get the numbers, you got to have the guest. And this is where the real trick comes in, is if you do get that big guest, you're gonna tune, you know, you're you're gonna have people tune in for that guest, and that's it. I'm guilty of it. If there's been a guest on a podcast that I wanted to listen to, I listened to the one episode. I didn't check out the rest. So isn't that kind of weird that you want to make sure I have enough followers? But we all know that the followers are only gonna come for that episode. And then, and then the other caveat to that is you have the followers that I I would never do this, but how many people actually, because they want those bigger guests, have bot farms creating their follower list? You know, is that even real? We we know it's real because we have AI creating books, we have AI reading books, we have AI leaving reviews. So, and we have AI comments. I mean, we we saw what happened when some of the bot farms went down recently. I'm not gonna get political, I'm just I'm pretty sure you understand what I'm alluding to. And suddenly all the nastiness of the internet, well, not all of it, but a good bit of the nastiness of the internet disappeared. Why is that? Oh, because none of that is real, and we're creating this illusion. So the real thing about, I guess, where this whole point is going is I try to be authentic. And maybe that is why I'm never gonna have a million followers. Maybe that's why I'm never gonna have a million listeners, or even a hundred thousand. And that's okay. Because I do this because I enjoy it, I do it because I know some of you guys like listening, and that's what matters. It it's the same reason I write books. Because, you know, there was a time in my life that I was like, oh yes, I can be a best-selling author. I'm going to love being a best. And I've come to the conclusion, especially now with AI dominating most of the top 100 at Amazon, um, that I'm gonna write my books for me. And the people that actually like reading me, great, fantastic, but I'm enjoying the stories that I am writing. And I think that's one of the gifts that we really have to think about is as a writer, the best thing they say is to write to market. And this also goes back to those follower lists. You know, we want people that have track traditional publishing, which now is not exactly perfect. Traditional publishing, we want you to have a following. We want you, we want to be able to know that we're gonna have a market. Well, those follows don't translate because I've had people click on podcast links, over a thousand views for a podcast ad that I've done. And this isn't a paid ad, this is just me posting on Instagram. Did I have a thousand followers, thousand people watch the podcast? No, no, but they want that. The publishers want that, so they can give you a book deal. Okay, so when I look at a book deal, not that anybody's giving me a book deal, but when I look at the book deal, I'm like, okay, so now you're telling me that I have to have followers, okay. I have to have written a book to market, meaning, you know, what's going on in the marketplace, which always changes. Oh, hockey romance, which people are still writing that. Um, gothic romance, okay. I better write that. Oh, wait, no, we're doing dark romance this time. Oh no, wait, we're doing okay. And then to to further dissect this when you're looking at the AI issue, is we've had publishing houses cancel two contracts by authors of color because of accusations of using AI. However, now three of the biggest publishing houses have been accused of using AI, taking authors' manuscripts and running them through AI for marketing and whatnot. Okay, why did you cut their deal? Then you also have this. So you got a book deal. Awesome. But you're still doing a lot of the marketing because you're not really gonna have a marketing budget because you're still pretty much a new author. You're not tried and true, so you're still gonna have to do all your own marketing, you're gonna have to do all this, and guess what? Yeah, we're gonna give you, we're we'll give you an advance, but you know what? It's not gonna be that much time. We take this out and this out and this out and this out and all these other things. You're not getting much. So for me personally, I have never sought out to get an agent. I have never sought out to do any of that except for the one contest that I almost entered. Because I always thought, if I have to do all of that, why turn it over to somebody? And there's that trust level, you know, who's to say they don't run it through AI, cancel your deal, and then use AI to write a book and then have somebody edit it. You know, that that's the really weird world because even everything that I do, whether it be the podcast, writing, and now even tarot or intuitive reading, AI can do. Now, I'm not saying it's quality. I'm not saying that I'm quality, this is quality, but I do the best I can. AI is not gonna give you the feeling, it's not gonna give you the emotion, it's not going to give you substance. It's gonna give you what you think you might want. And, you know, going back to several months ago when I worked on that one book, everything changed constantly. Here I am reading, and all of a sudden, this character has never been part of anything. This guy who's supposed to be a mob boss is suddenly a senator. Uh where did that come from and how did that happen? I know he got elected, but wait a second, where? So when we look at the big picture. Where are we at in the world? Where do we want to be at in the world? Everybody's marketing flyer looks the same now. Oh, and every time you share your picture into the look at my hobbies and everything, they're using your data. I wish we didn't live in this kind of world. I wish things were simpler. I love the fact that we have technology and I can do this and I can write books. I love that. But unfortunately, certain people have decided to co-op and create this, excuse me, super intelligence. SI, I'm sorry, is always going to be sports illustrated. Um it can only know what you fed it. It is not thinking, it is not being cognitive, and therefore, it's not going to be what you need it to be. So if you're saying you're a writer, then write. If you say you're a musician, then play the instrument. Don't feed it into a machine that's only gonna spit out somebody else's stuff. Because truthfully, yes, I agree that it's a theft machine. And you may disagree with me, and that's fine. Everybody's entitled to. And that was not my whole point of this. But even the number of followers for somebody, that's the point. We don't even know if that's real anymore. Because I don't know how many times over the years I've been approached with your podcast could have more followers. Just pay me X number of dollars and I'll get them for you. Are they real followers? Or is it the bot patrol? I don't know. But I do know this. Going forward, I I have coming up this month, not the next episode, but the episode after, we have a friend of the show coming back, Tracy Bonham, who is celebrating 30 years since her first record. And I kind of find it funny because the first time we ever talked to Tracy, she was happy that I did not focus on Mother Mother. She was like, you know, you talked, yeah, she mentioned it, and we briefly talked about it, and then we went off talking about breast cancer and and her other projects and life after that song. And this episode, well, we kind of went full circle because she's re-releasing that whole album. She redid that album. And we talk about that perspective of age and how you've grown and how things change. And you know, she's got a new song out right now. I'm not a waif. And when she wrote it, it was all because during that time they were trying to force everybody to be Kate Moss. And so she re-recorded it, she's got a new video out, and you should check it out. And the album, the redo is great, it's fantastic. And she brought in a bunch of people for Mother Mother to do the shouting, and we talk about that. So I'm looking forward to that episode coming out. I also have I've also interviewed um an actress who was the first, she may still be the only pregnant zombie who gives birth to a zombie baby from Dawn of the Dead. I talked to her, and I am talking to today, actually a little bit later, I'm talking to a boxer that turned coach and author and trainer. And that should be an interesting conversation. So there's more episodes coming up, and I look forward to sharing with them. And I look forward, you know, I have I think one more or two more episodes to tape for the year. And then I'm done for the year, and then we'll roll into next year, and I'll Can do is hope that the world at a certain point keeps spinning. And and I'm not just talking about the planet. I'm talking about, you know, you turn, you tune in, or you log on to threads, you log on wherever, and immediately you're getting the doom scrolling. And I mean, doom scrolling is appropriate because a lot of the times it is. You know, the world's gonna, this is gonna happen. We're gonna have famine, we're gonna have no food, we're gonna have food shortages. And I'm not saying none of that is, you know, that it won't happen. But I do think certain aspects like social media is changing. I think that things are evolving, and I just hope that I have the luxury of being able to do this still, because that's the scary thing. I mean, if something were to happen, what are we gonna do? You have to learn to take things day by day and keep going forward. And I think that's the biggest gift that any of us can have is to keep going forward and pursuing what we we enjoy. If you're looking to make millions off of things, I'm not sure that's gonna happen for anybody anymore. I'm not sure that being an actor is going to be the glamorous thing that it once was. Same thing with the musician. Yes, we still have people touring, we still have those things. But the biggest thing I keep hearing from a lot of musicians is I'm not making that much money touring, so I can't tour them any places. And you would never imagine that when I look back to being in the, you know, being in the 80s, even the 90s, the mass of tours that we had, even the 2000s, the early 2000s. And now you hear musicians, even though there are some big tours still, you see them doing it with three different groups. You know, we have Def Leopard, the Goo Goods, and the Strauts. Those are three premium acts, and they're all touring together because, well, it's cheaper. So I think as long as you know, you guys are willing to listen and support, I would love you guys to leave reviews. I would love you guys to tell your friends. But I also understand that this is kind of a niche thing. As far as what else is coming up for me, I have as long as my health stays okay, I have more books in the works. I I'm working on, you know, one thing I think about is funny, and yes, I jumped. Um, the one thing I'm working on is more Goldie books. Or should I say Bo. I I I call it Goldilicks, the Goldilicks series, but funny thing is the main character is Bo, you know. Um there's two books out right now. There's one book that is called Before Goldie, and Goldie's not in it at all, and it's kind of a Goldilicks prequel. So it talks about Bo's life. It kind of ties into Give Me All Your Love, and which is getting a bit of a redo, and will be out at the end of the year. But when I look at Bo, it's like Bo was this. I remember last year it was last December, and I was like, somebody asked, you know, I was gonna participate in a conference and an author conference where you get to meet authors. It was a virtual one, and they were like, Well, we're looking to do fairy tale retellings. Okay, I can do that. And I came up with Goldilicks or Goldilocks, I was gonna do a Goldie Goldilocks retelling, Goldilocks and the Three Bears. Somehow that mar morphed into Goldilicks, and I'm like, well, wait. Because I was writing a fairy tale, I started it, and it was like, that's not my wheelhouse, though. That's not who I am. I write rock star books, and it was like, oh wait, Goldie. She can be a guitar player, Goldilicks, Goldilicks and the Three Bears. So I changed it, of course, to Goldilicks and the Bear Brothers band. And then I was like, well, wait, I need to kind of start introducing my my guys and make little novellas or something. And so I wrote Gimme All Your Lovin'. I spent last December writing Gimme All Your Lovin'. And originally Bo had a POV in it. And I wrote it, turned it over to my beta readers, and they didn't like the lead character, Wendy, and they didn't want Bo's P.O.V. So Wendy got a little bit of a rewrite, the book got a little bit of a rewrite, and I finished it, and I kept thinking at the time when I was about to release it. And the reason I didn't hold it back is I had booked a bunch of Facebook parties. I thought when I finish it, it feels like I rushed the ending. And I did. And I realized that when I was reading a book recently, and the ending was rushed. So I went ahead and started working on rewriting that. And I'm in the process of that, and I'm also in the process of doing before Goldie. And as I said, that is before it's gonna tie in with Goldie, give me all your love and with Bo's POV, because it's Bo's book. And it's gonna lead up until he meets Goldie. Yeah, he's not the he's not the happiest guy. Music is it, and he's a himbo, as one of my readers calls him. And the next book in this the last book in the series is Goldie and Bo Beyond the Lights. And I'm working on that a little bit. That picks up where Goldie and the honey thief drop off. And they're 50 years old now. They uh Bo has kind of proposed, and it's like, how do you make this relationship work? You've known each other since your 20s, you had a relationship from your 20s to your 30s, you broke up, you have a grown son. Where do you fit and how do you make this work? And do you make it work? So I'm gonna be exploring a mature Goldie and Bow. And you know, the other characters will make an appearance like they did in the other books. So those are my focus. I also plan on working on some darker books that I have tinkered with, but that is finding my footing. I have to find my footing to do that. And it should be easy enough for me to do. Because like I said, I've been playing with it since last year. I mean, those dark books started being written last year when I was going through chemo. So, and it's one of those things that I'm a little uncertain about, and I'm not even sure that they're dark romance, at least one of them isn't. But that being said, that's what's on the agenda for that. I still have to try to unpack. But quite honestly, since my chemo and since I had cancer surgery, I am having a harder time getting around. This is the things you don't see. You know, I look fine, I look normal. The hair is back for the most part. Um, but I do have health issues. I mean, it it's it's not while I look fine, I'm not. If you actually see me walking around, you would know that yeah, I'm not fine. So I hope I need to get my house unpacked, and that is a struggle that I will have to take care of myself. And eventually, hopefully, I can find some help to help me. So there's that. And, you know, as I was waiting in a waiting room today, this is a side note. I I I had a question pop up that I had to ponder, which was why do we say when somebody's dead, that why do we say the late? Okay, well, they're not late. They're not coming from anywhere. Why do we say they're late? My I guess it sounds better than my deceased husband. My late husband? Is he late? Is he coming? You know, it doesn't make any sense, but we have some weird words that we use, but words are fun. You know, today would have been traditionally our Halloween episode, and I don't have it a guest. I'm handling it myself. But one of the things I want to talk about is the fact that I think with our Halloween episode, we we have delved into magic, we've delved into other things, and I have to laugh that my dad, who sometimes believes, but most of the time doesn't, when he's texting me a couple of weeks ago, he's like, I think I have a ghost. I think the house is really haunted. Okay. Because apparently he sets a glass of water on his nightstand, and he got up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, and it wasn't there. Somehow it had moved to where his desk is in his office. So he swears now that the house is haunted. Well, Dad, you know, this is what I kind of I didn't go back and say anything. I'm like, well, the veil is then, and so that makes sense. But I I really wanted to go back and say, Dad, do you remember when your shirt went missing? The shirt that allegedly would get you laid and it ended up in the closet underneath your deceased wife's shoes. Do you remember that? That didn't say that. Or do you remember when you said the giant wrench that is like 20 pounds flew across the shop? Do you remember those moments? Yeah. Um, but I didn't. For me personally, um, I think lately I have had more intuitive hits. Unfortunately, when that gentleman Pat um fell out the roller coaster in Georgia, one of the things that hit me was that he may have had a medical emergency and something else went wrong with the the since his body weight had misadjusted because something had happened, that it would have been easier for him to come out of that seat. I'm not saying that six flags is on the hook or off the hook. I'm not talking liability. But I found it interesting, like a couple of days later, that allegedly the niece who was sitting next to him on the ride um came back and said that he had passed out right after the ride started, right after they went down that first hill, that he had passed out and was kind of slumped over somewhat and was moving or you know, his body was just moving with the roller coaster. And somehow the thing that was holding him came unlodged. Now, does that support what I was feeling? I don't know. I don't know if that's the case or not, and I'm not making an accusation. I think there should have still been something holding him down. Um, but I I thought it was interesting that that popped up. Sometimes we we don't we just get information and we don't know where we get it from. Uh I've for the first time in two and a half years, I actually read for some people. And I found myself, I do it here when I'm talking to you guys, but when I'm reading, I actually find myself, even though there may be cards in front of me, I find myself focusing on a point in a room and just getting information. And one of the interesting things in that situation this week, uh, or last week, was the fact that I had people telling me, well, you're telling me exactly what I'm thinking. I mean, the words you're actually saying and verbalizing are the words that are in my head. Or the fact that a woman that was at the party who left the party because she was an older lady, um, the person I'm sitting across from, I'm reading, and she's like, Could it be such and such, which was the lady that left? She's like, You're describing her to a T. And then I'm like, Well, she goes, I'm around her all the time. I'm like, Well, that's that would explain, and I'm picking up on her energy. But the one thing about what I do is we don't really fully, you know, people are always like, Well, how did you know that? And we don't fully know how we do that, even though I did see a science post yesterday about how they say that we have kind of a guide walking around with us helping us get that information. And I think back to um when somebody passed, and I was reading for their mother, and I was telling the mother things that the wife had told her. Now, all those things are interesting, but then I give it another notch of a client I had. I told, I told her stuff, I said stuff to her that this person was going to tell her, and then six weeks later, she's telling me, Yeah, you know what you told me he was gonna say? Well, he said it. Exactly what you said. Okay. I don't know how I get it, I just know it comes and and that I roll with it. So when I look at, you know, saying I'm a tarot reader, it's not just that, because that's just the guidepost. Because sometimes those cards won't even stick, it'll end up giving me different information. So, and I and I always like when I sit down and I'm doing readings, and it's like, are you paying attention? Because this message is for you too. So, yeah, I I I enjoy doing it just like just like the podcast, just like writing books, and the fun thing is I realize that it's like, well, do I still want to do this? And it's like it was an opportunity that fell in my lap, and I was like, okay, yeah, I was terrified that I wouldn't be able to do it because it's been so long, but it it's not something I could turn off, and I experience it in my daily life all the time. I just don't immerse myself in it. And could I most likely do it online? Sure. Would it be interesting? Possibly. And I've tried doing it online, but I don't want to make it a parlor trick. I want to do it for people that really need it. And the one thing I will say is I don't do readings that it's like future prognostication. It's more about what you need to focus on right now and how you need to heal it and how you need to work through it. And yeah, that's why sometimes I think when I'm reading somebody else, it comes across to me that you need to listen to this message just as much. So, yeah. So, Halloween, haven't had any ghost visitations, thank goodness. Haven't had any really scary prog prognosticating dreams. And I mean, I I will say this back in the early 2000s, I did have a dream that there were bombs going off and things were crazy, and it was weird. And my mom was there, and she told me she was coming to get my stepfather, and that I had to pack up my stuff and go. And so the dream has always stuck with me because I felt very real, and there was a hole in my ceiling that somebody was trying to get me through. And they did. Did the dream come true? I don't know. And I mean, I used to tell my my late husband, my deceased husband, um, that I always was fearful about living in a McMansion because I thought we were gonna have a civil war, and that was back in 2006-7, somewhere in there. Oh, six, seven. No. Um and I I still hope that's not true. I do. Because no matter how secure I feel and how happy I am about everything, I often think, Am I just trying to keep my stress down? Uh before the big beautiful bill passed, I pulled cards and it was interesting because I never let it air. I have a copy of it, I believe, somewhere. But it said that there was gonna be some problems, but ultimately it would pass. And that's exactly what happened because there were problems. And I think if you're working, I don't want to do readings for politics or anything, but I think if you're working with your cards and you're working with your spirit guides and everything, you can get the answers you need. You just have to trust and you have to have faith. And sometimes they have your back more than you realize. So, on that note, that's about as as soony, Halloweeny you're gonna get this year. But I thank you guys for tuning in. Uh, it really, really does mean a lot. And uh yeah, I know things aren't always easy, but I hope that my show can at least put a smile on your face or make you laugh or make you think about something. And um I greatly appreciate you listening. So, on that note, I'd like to thank FastSusie for the intro and outro music as always. And just take care of yourself and hang in there, and I'm cycle do another solo show when we hit six uh six years, which is kind of crazy to think about, but I'm gonna stick around for a while. That's the plan. And the show will be going on as long as I can afford to do it. So I thank you guys for tuning in, and I'll catch you next time. Bye.